Designing a barcode app which doesnt sign your life away

by DManzaluni » Tue, 29 Mar 2011 10:23:52 GMT


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 Has anyone designed an app which scans barcodes (a shopping app) which
doesnt force you to let Google track your every move (whether the app
is on or off, working or not etc etc) when you have installed it?

I installed Copilot and before getting it running, my smartphone
demanded that i let google track my every move before running SOMEONE
ELSE's GPS app!  In fact when I carefully didnt agree to this, my G2
did let me into the program and presumably interact with Copilot's
transponders (meaning, I suppose, I don't know whether Google is or
isnt tracking me!)

Or can I consciously turn off this tracking feature for whenever I
haven't got such app running? I am nervous about this AND ALSO am on a
very limited data plan. I dont want anyone using my limited usage for
their own purposes.

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Re: Designing a barcode app which doesnt sign your life away

by lbendlin » Tue, 29 Mar 2011 11:21:48 GMT


 Very refreshing. You may want to read up on how cellular networks work. 
Google is just a third party in that game. The cellco-s know pretty well 
where you are, even if your phone is on standby, and even if you have 
declined Google's request. Don't want to be tracked? Don't use a cellphone.

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Re: Designing a barcode app which doesnt sign your life away

by lbendlin » Tue, 29 Mar 2011 11:24:51 GMT


 oh, and "Barcode Scanner" v3.53 in the Android market is not using location 
at all.

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Re: Designing a barcode app which doesnt sign your life away

by Maps.Huge.Info (Maps API Guru) » Tue, 29 Mar 2011 12:01:54 GMT


 "If you decline, network location won't be enabled at all"

It's just disabled on the device itself. The carrier can still track
you if they want or have a warrant to do so. There's no way except
turning the device off or sticking the thing in a Faraday cage to stop
that.

As another poster mentioned, if you don't want to be tracked, just
don't carry a cell phone. It's that simple.

-John Coryat

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Re: Designing a barcode app which doesnt sign your life away

by Nathan » Tue, 29 Mar 2011 12:09:06 GMT


 It's not specific to the app. It's something that comes on when you
enable network location. Google wants to collect anonymous location
data. If you decline, network location won't be enabled at all.

Nathan

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Re: Designing a barcode app which doesnt sign your life away

by DManzaluni » Thu, 31 Mar 2011 04:33:31 GMT


 



Interestingly enough it was barcode scanner 3.53 which prompted me to
put out this thread precisely because it  felt it necessary to put out
a strong legal warning mandating that I let google track me even when
the app is off in future (even though I know full well that it can get
my location just by looking to the location of the cell tower I am
using). Now I learn that it doesnt even do network location!

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Re: Designing a barcode app which doesnt sign your life away

by lbendlin » Thu, 31 Mar 2011 09:49:08 GMT


 This is slightly off topic but here's a nice little story from Germany

 http://www.zeit.de/datenschutz/malte-spitz-data-retention 

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Re: Designing a barcode app which doesnt sign your life away

by DManzaluni » Fri, 01 Apr 2011 09:43:39 GMT


 Interesting and it proves both what I was saying about using those
facts in court and how productive you can be and how much ground you
can cover when there arent any speed limits on the roads.  There dont
appear to be any white bits while he is in the air.

(It isnt really off topic although what I was asking about was the
google legal warning about them doing this, -  and while you arent
using their apps)




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Re: Designing a barcode app which doesnt sign your life away

by lbendlin » Fri, 01 Apr 2011 09:51:12 GMT


 to (half) answer your original question - you can disable data services in 
your phone settings. Settings...Wireless and networks...Mobile network 
settings...uncheck "Data enabled"

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Re: Designing a barcode app which doesnt sign your life away

by DManzaluni » Mon, 25 Apr 2011 22:07:53 GMT


 Anyone notice how this subject matter has suddenly become a supposedly
hot topic in the media recently with continuous time given on all
channels on TV to the recent revelation that the iPhone stores all
sorts of personal data in a hidden file on the iPhone!

With whole countries like South Korea suddenly being spurred to take
action to see if Apple doing this is illegal, to me, the only
surprising bit was that the file is apparently unused..

No one seems to have noticed that the Google user agreement demands
that you let them do this and much more before you can use an Android
phone for lots of non-google apps as I suggested in the OP.

As I have suggested, I dont know why,   but I have no problem with my
carrier doing this but somehow it seems odd for Google to remind you /
demand constantly that you let them do this every time you install a
new non-google app.   Anyway it is I suppose reassuring that you can
obviously turn this off.

Most of the context of all this is in the field of private banking
where these smartphones are being used for all sorts of REALLY
sensitive information and they are quite easy to hack into: I wonder
if the answer to any of this lies here:

 http://www.pinoyview.com/video/c9739347688571d/Privacy-Enhancing-Technologies-for-Mobile-Applications& ;source=video&vgc=rss&usg=AFQjCNERCDN6o1giryxTIMnGGlsReHBLLw




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