Final SDK build available (84853) deadline extended to Tuesday, August 5

by Shane Isbell » Tue, 15 Jul 2008 15:39:51 GMT


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Or maybe it was orchestrated by a super secret group inside Google that's
trying to smuggle information out to the community.

Shane



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Final SDK build available (84853) deadline extended to Tuesday, August 5

by Hong » Tue, 15 Jul 2008 15:40:01 GMT


 


long == wrong... too much typing >_<

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Final SDK build available (84853) deadline extended to Tuesday, August 5

by Hong » Tue, 15 Jul 2008 15:40:03 GMT


 




Winners do not necessarily mean they are very committed.  There are quite
some companies in the winner list, and they do not ONLY focus on Android.
The Weather Channel has J2ME, Brew, and you bet, iPhone software.

Also, does this imply the rest of us are not "very committed"?  There are in
fact many many "loosers" in this group answering questions and basically
contributing, e.g. plusminus, mark, etc.  I have yet to see winners
participate in the group as enthusiast as those guys, except Muthu.

Obviously the people in the top 50 of the Challenge are those that have


This is very long.  I'm pretty sure you haven't seen DUO or Enkin or some
other great stuff that just didn't make it to the top 50.  Look at iPhone
app store, games are a dominant mobile software category.  However, Android
top 50 has NO games.  You think doing a map overlay is more difficult than
doing an Open GL ES 3D racing game??

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Final SDK build available (84853) deadline extended to Tuesday, August 5

by Hong » Tue, 15 Jul 2008 15:40:03 GMT


 is this "mistaken email" trying to get android developers back to the
community?  hehe...

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Final SDK build available (84853) deadline extended to Tuesday, August 5

by Shane Isbell » Tue, 15 Jul 2008 15:40:04 GMT


 I received it as well. My guess is it's a mistake and not meant to be sent
to all ADC entrants.

Shane





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Final SDK build available (84853) deadline extended to Tuesday, August 5

by Shane Isbell » Thu, 17 Jul 2008 21:21:49 GMT


 Sadly, if Google said they were to release the SDK tomorrow, I just wouldn't
care anymore. Google is closed; Google is the status quo in mobile;  Google
is not really even a leader anymore, they are following Apple. What's really
changed? Another mobile platform? More fragmented market? The carriers get a
free operating system built on the hard work of the open-source community.
Good for them.

We already have CDC and CLDC platforms if we want to do Java, with a market
that already exists.

Shane





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Final SDK build available (84853) deadline extended to Tuesday, August 5

by Mark Murphy » Thu, 17 Jul 2008 23:51:42 GMT


 hese threads make me feel like Al Pacino: "Every time I try to get out, 
they keep pulling me back in"...

Shane Isbell wrote:

A drop of much of the source code is available in a repository and in
tarballs. It runs on Linux. It has a free (pre-alpha) SDK. People have
been able to take it and get it running on a variety of unsupported
hardware, such as the Nokia N800/N810.

On the open spectrum, today, it is more open than Apple, Microsoft,
Blackberry, or even Symbian. It is less open today than LiMo and
OpenMoko. If -- *if* -- they keep their promises, it'll be as open as
LiMo and OpenMoko by year's end. With luck, Symbian will wind up this
open as well.

It is definitely more closed -- today -- than it was a few months ago.
That is definitely worthy of angst and anger, but only to a point.


Android is following lots of people: Apple on the sizzle side,
LiMo/OpenMoko on the free side.

Depending on your belief in the latter two platforms, Android *might* be
the longer-term leader in free, if it can use the energy from the sizzle
to be a "playa" bigger than LiMo or OpenMoko. It's even conceivable they
could wind up the leader in sizzle too -- just because *we* don't see
progress doesn't mean progress isn't happening.

> More fragmented market?

That barn door's been open for years. If you're looking for a
monoculture, try the desktop PC marketplace on for size.


If you mean Linux, Android isn't the first or only Linux-based mobile
phone OS, and it probably won't be the last.


Considering that Microsoft doesn't like CDC/CLDC, and Apple doesn't like
CDC/CLDC, and Android's given no indication of liking CDC/CLDC, and I
don't see any CDC/CLDC activity with LiMo or OpenMoko, I'm not too
bullish on CDC/CLDC. But, hey, I've definitely been wrong before.

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Android is making a series of related mis-steps here, from the private
SDK releases to the lack of communication. Somebody, somewhere, needs to
be fired, or worse, needs to let me rip them a new one. If Android
fizzles, which is entirely possible, this whole mess will be one of the
bullet points as to why.

And, if Android is able to carve out a significant chunk of the market,
few will remember this fiasco in four years' time, other than a general
sense of unease whenever symptoms like we're seeing now happen to pop up.

In this respect, Android is going through some of the same stumbles that
Netscape did when they "released" Mozilla (big code dump, diddly-squat
for support), or when Sun released OpenOffice.org (big code dump,
license soup, mixed messages from management), or IBM did when it
released Eclipse (big code dump, general sense of "uh, now what?").
Those projects went on to be successes, by most measures.

Of course, the same stumbles befell Real Networks with the release of
Helix (big code dump, godawful license I have the shame of being
involved with), SAP with the release of SAP DB (big code dump, little
community building), and so on. There is no way to determine, here and
now, how this will play out for Android.

The only thing I know for certain is that rehashing the same complaints
again and again and again won't exactly help Android's cause any. Given
the press coverage to date, I feel fairly certain that the "we're
<bleep>ing unhappy" message has made it up the Mountain (View). Maybe



Final SDK build available (84853) deadline extended to Tuesday, August 5

by Shane Isbell » Fri, 18 Jul 2008 00:59:42 GMT


  was looking for a change of the mobile ecosystem, with Google's
leadership. But what we have is the same old, closed mobile ecosystem. It
looks the same as Sprint J2ME developer's program back in 2002, generate a
bunch of excitement from developers and once there were some initial apps,
Sprint choose their vendors and the support went completely silent on the
forums. The mindset is the same. And yes, J2ME (CDC/CLDC) did very well.
Good for those on the inside track, miserable for the individual developer.

Don't get me wrong. If I were Google, I may do the same thing, focus all
resources on getting the device out the door. But I'm not Google, I'm a
developer, sitting there feeling cheated, lured into what seemed to be a
thriving community before Google cut it off at the knees. What do I care if
Google gets out a device in QIV of this year or QI of the next, if I'm on
the outside, waiting, wondering if this is really the new mobile ecosystem,
when it reeks of the old.

I don't have some grudge against Google, they can do what they want but when
their interests and mine don't align, then it's time to move on and find
something else. If Google somehow changes things and I think it's worth it,
I'll jump back in. And as for open-source projects being a marathon, perhaps
that's true but running blindly forward hoping that one is running in the
right race or in the right direction may not be the wisest course; and don't
forget Pheidippides didn't live through his marathon.

Shane


On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 4:51 PM, Mark Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:


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Final SDK build available (84853) deadline extended to Tuesday, August 5

by Shane Isbell » Fri, 18 Jul 2008 02:47:35 GMT


 'm only negative because the situation is negative. There are no amount of
caltrops I, or any other member of the community, could throw down that
would compare to the damage of one hour of Google's silence or to the
impediment Google has erected before us. Some may grow tired of the noise,
others of the silence, to each his own.

Shane

On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 6:33 PM, Mark Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:


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Final SDK build available (84853) deadline extended to Tuesday, August 5

by Mark Murphy » Fri, 18 Jul 2008 07:14:09 GMT


 


Odds are you're right. However, don't you think it's just a trifle early 
to make that a definitive claim? Seeing as how the ecosystem hasn't been 
launched yet? I mean, as much as the early community-building was slick 
and all, the gun doesn't truly sound until devices are ready, as far as 
I'm concerned.


I hear ya on the misery part. Complete with Kathy Bates and a 
sledgehammer, IIRC. ;-)


I'm certainly hoping this is an interregnum, and we'll be in position to 
raise the community anew shortly. But, I may be wrong, in which case 
I'll look upon 2008 as being a bit of a lost year. C'est la vie.


Simple: don't invest much in it just yet.

Early adopter-hood is not always a river of milk and honey. In fact, I 
suspect that more often than not, early adopter-hood is a whole lotta 
cow pies and bee stings first.

If things turn positive again, there will be plenty of room for all 
sorts of folk in the community. If it turns completely south, you won't 
be out much.

There will be some morons, like myself, who will try to double-down 
during the hard times and hope it pans out. There's all sorts of 
strategies for dealing with the situation.

Frankly, what gets my goat isn't the fact that people are jumping off 
the bandwagon, or even that they're announcing they're jumping off the 
bandwagon. It's that they are *repeatedly* announcing they're jumping 
off the bandwagon and thereby attack the bandwagon on their way to stage 
left.

 > And as for open-source projects being a

As a wise man once said, "Sometimes, ya gotta roll the hard six."

Well, OK, a wise character on a TV show.


Yeah, yeah, yeah, those who don't learn from history are doomed to do 
something-or-another... ;-)

I'm not asking anyone to run the marathon who doesn't want to -- just 
don't toss caltrops into the road for those who run now and those who 
choose to run in the future.

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Final SDK build available (84853) deadline extended to Tuesday, August 5

by Shane Isbell » Fri, 18 Jul 2008 19:03:21 GMT


 "Why is Google launching the Android Developer Challenge? A thriving
developer community will be an important part of creating better mobile
experiences that delight users around the world. "

Was the creation of a thriving developer community the real reason for the
ADC? Does anyone feel like we are thriving? I sure don't.

Shane

 http://code.google.com/android/adc_faq.html 

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