Oracle Android App Store

by gosh » Thu, 10 Jun 2010 23:52:15 GMT


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Here's the countries that developers can currently sell from via
Android Market:
 http://www.google.com/support/androidmarket/bin/answer.py?answer=150324 

Here's the countries that Android Market offers free apps to:
 http://www.google.com/support/androidmarket/bin/answer.py?hl=en& ;answer=138294

Here's the countries that Android Market sells to:
 http://www.google.com/support/androidmarket/bin/answer.py?hl=en& ;answer=138294
(i.e. the 13 countries down the bottom of the same page)

These haven't changed much for a long time - e.g. 9 countries in that
first list haven't changed since September 2009.
(Googles Knows why its not the same 13 where users can buy from)

How does this compare with the other mobile OS vendors?

Apple's App Store currently works in 90 countries. In Feb'2010 they
added: Armenia, Botswana, Bulgaria, Jordan, Kenya, Macedonia,
Madagascar, Mali, Mauritius, Niger, Senegal, Tunisia, and Uganda  ...
i.e. they are going to run out of global map real soon now. Say what
you like about them, but they take paid apps seriously.
I.e. see:  
 http://developer.apple.com/iphone/news/archives/2010/february/ #newsprofile

Here's the 29 countries that Microsoft's Windows Phone Marketplace
developers can sell to (and upload from):

 http://developer.windowsphone.com/help.aspx?id=fd9b5508-6436-4503-9174-45bf532b9dfd 

...when the forthcoming Windows7 Phone hits the market later this
year.

What both Android app developers and global Android users need is
another substantial app store run by a globally recognised ICT entity
with a global presence (not carrier app stores such as Motorola's), an
International commitment, and that uses more conventional payment
methods (PayPal/ the standard Credit Cards). It will happen eventually
given the gapping great gap in the Android Market service roll-out all
this time. I'd lay odds on Oracle setting up an Android App Store that
uses PayPal, which seems an odd possibility at first, but then when
you think about it more seriously, it makes commercial sense from a
lot of different angles:
- Sun had a Java Store that used PayPal.
- They now control Java.
- They like making money from software.
- As Google moves to Web apps within the forthcoming Web Store, Oracle
could befriend Android developers (via global distribution) and
gradually try to move them towards JavaFX apps (whatever plans they
have for that).
- In building such an app store it could showcase their existing
Oracle Store product for building such things.
- They could entice Android app developers to develop 'services' for
their own apps on their own MySQL/Oracle DBMS servers (supplied by
Oracle), or via an Oracle cloud.

Any votes for an Oracle Android App Store?
Any votes for a Yahoo! Android App Store?
 or
What other major ICT/media company could pull off such a marketing
coup?

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by Leigh McRae » Fri, 11 Jun 2010 00:47:19 GMT


 tt>When I look at BlackBerry App World it lists over 200 countries which 
seems high but I know they support almost everywhere by now so perhaps
it's correct. I find it crazy that Canada isn't supported considering
NAFTA.


I really don't think Google is all that interested in paid apps as they
are in extending their ad network to handhelds. You can't really blame
them as it's their core business.


Also I suspect that Apple wouldn't have passed MS in market cap if the
app store had the same return policy as the android market.


Leigh


On 6/10/2010 11:51 AM, gosh wrote:

Oracle Android App Store

Here's the countries that developers can currently sell from via
Android Market:
http://www.google.com/support/androidmarket/bin/answer.py?answer=150324

Here's the countries that Android Market offers free apps to:
http://www.google.com/support/androidmarket/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=138294

Here's the countries that Android Market sells to:
http://www.google.com/support/androidmarket/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=138294
(i.e. the 13 countries down the bottom of the same page)

These haven't changed much for a long time - e.g. 9 countries in that
first list haven't changed since September 2009.
(Googles Knows why its not the same 13 where users can buy from)

How does this compare with the other mobile OS vendors?

Apple's App Store currently works in 90 countries. In Feb'2010 they
added: Armenia, Botswana, Bulgaria, Jordan, Kenya, Macedonia,
Madagascar, Mali, Mauritius, Niger, Senegal, Tunisia, and Uganda ...
i.e. they are going to run out of global map real soon now. Say what
you like about them, but they take paid apps seriously.
I.e. see:
http://developer.apple.com/iphone/news/archives/2010/february/#newsprofile

Here's the 29 countries that Microsoft's Windows Phone Marketplace
developers can sell to (and upload from):

http://developer.windowsphone.com/help.aspx?id=fd9b5508-6436-4503-9174-45bf532b9dfd

...when the forthcoming Windows7 Phone hits the market later this
year.

What both Android app developers and global Android users need is
another substantial app store run by a globally recognised ICT entity
with a global presence (not carrier app stores such as Motorola's), an
International commitment, and that uses more conventional payment
methods (PayPal/ the standard Credit Cards). It will happen eventually
given the gapping great gap in the Android Market service roll-out all
this time. I'd lay odds on Oracle setting up an Android App Store that
uses PayPal, which seems an odd possibility at first, but then when
you think about it more seriously, it makes commercial sense from a
lot of different angles:
- Sun had a Java Store that used PayPal.
- They now control Java.
- They like making money from software.
- As Google moves to Web apps within the forthcoming Web Store, Oracle
could befriend Android developers (via global distribution) and
gradually try to move them towards JavaFX apps (whatever plans they
have for that).
- In building such an app store it could showcase their existing
Oracle Store product for building such things.
- They could entice Android app developers to develop 'services' for
their own apps on their own MySQL/Oracle DBMS servers (supplied by
Oracle), or v


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by Chi Kit Leung » Fri, 11 Jun 2010 07:21:33 GMT


  will vote any companies to setup alternative market! Android is for
openness.
I believe there is very a big market gap in there.

By the way, Java Store is still beta, Actually, I think more than a year.

On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 2:46 AM, Leigh McRae <leigh.mc...@lonedwarfgames.com

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by gosh » Fri, 11 Jun 2010 07:53:15 GMT


 gt; When I look at BlackBerry App World it lists over 200 countries which

Yes, I also find it odd that there are four countries that they sell
to, but don't let developers/publishers sell from, as in:

Australia
Canada
New Zealand
Switzerland

I don't know about New Zealand but in those other 3, Google has its
own software development efforts, e.g. WAVE in Australia.
I suspect that they just didn't want any of their own programmers with
deep internal tech knowledge to jump-ship with start-ups selling
Android apps, in the year just gone. i.e. They take great pride in the
fact that they have a high retention rates of programmers, while
places like Microsoft have been losing good coders for some years now.


Yes its a win-win-win situation (software publishers/Internet industry/
users). Before the Internet I used to publish software for a living.
In 1994/95 the www killed all that - the early-adopters who used to be
the buyers of software from those publishers other than the Microsofts
and Adobes of the world, all went to the big free download on the web.
Most people I know who contribute to free open source projects have
other jobs that pay their wages - e.g. academia. The App Store is the
first mechanism since 1994 that gives something back to software
developers, while also giving customers software for a few bucks
(versus the ridiculous price of games on the consoles our kids pay or
pirate), while also keeping the Internet healthy with activity and
innovation.

Apple has effectively tapped the great untapped resource that is
software developers and publishers, who don't have some other source
of income or some other activity they'd rather be doing. So yes, I
agree with you whole-heartedly - it is a large part of the reason
Apple have shot to the top in market cap. And I whole-heartedly wish
Android provided a similar future avenue - if not via Google, then via
some other worthy advocate for innovation and progress.

Steve

On Jun 11, 2:46am, Leigh McRae <leigh.mc...@lonedwarfgames.com>
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by gosh » Fri, 11 Jun 2010 08:05:39 GMT


 >Slight problem,

Thats why I suggest its got to be an Oracle-level company - some
entity that carriers will do deals with at the pre-installed market
level and/or that the customer will type into the browser from memory.

Steve




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by Chi Kit Leung » Fri, 11 Jun 2010 09:49:13 GMT


 Maybe HTC can develop their own market. But I am doubtful about they are
working closely with Google.




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by gosh » Fri, 11 Jun 2010 12:21:49 GMT


 HTC don't have the global reach.
Of the Taiwanese companies ACER is probably the most international in
reach and intent - although they are pretty much a Microsoft shop.
They have this annual pattern thats been going for years, where they
demonstrate some prototype typically running some variant of Linux
(including Android) at Computex and the like, while they are
negotiating a better annual deal for Windows XP/and now Windows7 from
Microsoft, as a bargaining chip. ASUS has become their student in this
- witness the EeePC which mainly comes installed with a Windows
variant these days, after making its splash in the market with Linux.
I don't think the answer to android app market invigoration likes in
Taiwan.

Steve




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by Andy Savage » Fri, 11 Jun 2010 12:27:22 GMT


 I think that it's highly possible for a competing App market to make a
splash but it would have to come pre-installed on the phones. It could be
possible though for a company who develops one to pre-install it if they
make a deal with HTC for certain models of phones :-)

Perhaps just pick 2 of the latest phones and make a deal with HTC to include
it alongside the google one. Or perhaps HTC could cobrand (HTC store run by
xyz company).


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by Al Sutton » Fri, 11 Jun 2010 14:19:22 GMT


 o we need any more app stores? :)

We've been running AndAppStore since the G1 launch and the most common
reason we hear for developers not listing is that they don't want to
maintain multiple market listings, so I doubt that the creation of
multiple markets backed by large companies is viable. AndAppStore
gives 100% of app sales revenue to developers, making it as profitable
as possible for paid-apps, and we still hit the "multiple market
maintenance" issue (our revenue is from ads in the client &
customisation deals in case you're wondering).

If you also add in that Market does things that third party after-
market app stores can't (automatic updates, copy protection,
permissions-before-download installs), you can see that any company
getting into the Android app store space is competing on a uneven
playing field from day 1 on devices where they aren't integrated into
the firmware, which makes running a market an unattractive proposition
for most businesses.

Al.

P.S. In case you were wondering, we keep running AndAppStore because
people want us to and it doesn't drain the companies resources. There
are users of non-Google experience devices & developers of apps they'd
like to be paid for who live in non-Google approved countries, so
we're happy to keep it running.

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by Zsolt Vasvari » Fri, 11 Jun 2010 14:29:40 GMT


 > you can see that any company


If they can offer paid apps in more countries than Google, a lot of
developers would use them by default.

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by gosh » Sat, 12 Jun 2010 15:45:02 GMT


 gt;(our revenue is from ads in the client & customisation deals in case you're 

Then I'm assuming you must require the app publisher to make some
small addition to their source code - which is no big deal to the
coder.

market app stores can't (automatic updates, copy protection,
permissions-before-download installs), you can see that any company
getting into the Android app store space is competing on a uneven
playing field from day 1 on devices where they aren't integrated into
the firmware

If you already require a mod to the source as per above, you could
also add some phone-home 'occasionally' capability (your marketplace
home) ... which could implement a 'better' copy protection mechanism
than the Android Market currently has.

Similarly, you could also use such phone-home code to implement a
'better' updates policy - e.g. I find the current update mechanism in
Android Market a pain in the butt in that it tries to update apps 'too
often'. E.g. you could let the 'phone user' pick a minimum update
frequency which overrides those frenetic/frivolous updaters.

So, there's two-out-of-three USPs (unique selling points) you could do
better than Android Market, in what you have outlined as
disadvantages.
In addition, you could do the web site version 'a whole lot better'
than Android Market.
[ I'm actually starting to think that maybe the delay in any Android
Market update was largely a lack of traditional structured data
modeling skills - having recently watched their curtness/defensiveness
at the IO 2010 android fireside chat wrt the Market. Sun Inc had such
a problem - because they were such an OO-shop, they didn't really get
the need for a DBMS and structured data until way too late. i.e. You
can't really do an Amazon-like Web 2.0 shop (recommendations, meta-
recommendations, etc) with a free-text-index-Google-style search
mentality approach to DB design. ]

Whatever the initial reason, given that the annual IO-2010 came-and-
went with hot air and no progress Market-wise, the next big 'timing'
event for Google to put out any new Android Market features, will be
the same week as the release of the Windows7 mobile and its
accompanying App Store - which gives you a lot of lead-time for such
improvements.

Steve

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by Al Sutton » Sat, 12 Jun 2010 23:54:34 GMT


 


Nope. The ads are only in our client, and the customisation deals are
with OEMs and hardware distributors for customer versions of our
systems. Developers don't have to modify anything.


AndAppStore already offers a purchase checking facility where
developers can, if they want to, check against our database of
purchases to see if the user has purchased a copy of the app for the
specific device it's running on.


We're looking at adding a time selector in addition to our the on/off
switch we currently have in the AndAppStore client for background
update checking.

Al.

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by gosh » Sun, 13 Jun 2010 14:00:25 GMT


 Btw, I saw that you (via AndAppStore) got an honorable mention in the
WIRED article re 'Independent App Stores' yesterday.
Congrats.

Steve






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by Al Sutton » Sun, 13 Jun 2010 15:50:57 GMT


 Thanks, it's just shame they didn't talk to us at all about the
article yet they give the appearance they did by saying;

"But now smaller Android exclusive startups such as Andspot, SlideMe
and AndAppStore are getting into the fray. Why develop just an app
when you can build an app store, they say."

They also seem to have missed the bit about both AndAppStore and
SlideME have been around for over 18 months, so we're not really
getting into the fray now, we've been in the fray for as long as (if
not longer than) Market has.

Still, it's always good to see our name in print in a relatively
positive article :).

Al.






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by Chi Kit Leung » Tue, 15 Jun 2010 09:26:51 GMT


 ndAppStore is a good example, it is completely using Paypal....



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